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Post by cLaNKk on Jan 27, 2006 15:29:56 GMT
If you got to power, would you be corrupt, take bribes and line your pockets? I bet most will answer no. Then the question is what makes you sure and what happens between now and when you get to power?
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kipkorir
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Post by kipkorir on Jan 27, 2006 19:01:27 GMT
After reading the news in the recent weeks, I have no iota of ambition to be in power. I leave that to Raila and Ruto and Uhuru. As for receiving bribes, it is absurd. If you are a Patriotic Kenyan, you will surely be disgusted by even the word. How do you feel when the immigration and customs officers at JKIA ransack your suitcase and threatening you if you don't give kitu kidogo? These guys reap where they did not and do not sow. They have never worked night-shifts in factories in freezing conditions to understand how money is made here in the west. To hell with them. I did not like bribes when I was in Kenya and neither will I like it today.
Kip
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Post by cLaNKk on Jan 30, 2006 17:55:38 GMT
mazee that storo about customs is a shame and disgrace. I've been disturbed so much at customs mpaka I refuse to open my case coz they were talking about keeping stuff!
what happened to doing a day's job, being proud and getting paid the old fashioned way? On the flip side, I've been blamed for causing corruption too as have many of us.
What happens when you want your excess baggage cleared or your 2nd passport or 3rd driving license etc etc...you pay someone! My morals, is what I'm told, are to blame!
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Post by odhiambo on Feb 1, 2006 12:10:55 GMT
Sometimes one is forced to see the otherside of the coin. How the hell can Kina Murungaru hepesha that many millions in the Anglo Leasing scandal and common mwananchi is supposed to be content with day job?
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Post by nelstar on Feb 2, 2006 16:42:04 GMT
I dont think kenyans -politicians or not, will weed out corruption that easily, we've been looking the otherway far too long for corruption to end overnight...
unless somthing really radical happens, whether we like it or not, it may take a generation before corruption is weeded out. But, there is hope with Mwiraria stepping down.
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kipkorir
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Post by kipkorir on Feb 2, 2006 17:09:13 GMT
Mwiraria is not the problem, the problem is Kibaki, just like Moi before him. Nothing happens behind the backs of these corrupt-ladden leaders. Remember Moi and Kibaki served Kenyatta? Kibaki was Moi's number 2 when they oversaw corrupt deals and even when Kibaki went to opposition, the same figures always featured. Tell me today which MP is clean!!!!Not even Raila, Ruto, Biwott, Kosgei, Kalonzo and definately not Uhuru or Balala. We need to overhaul these people and things will change. Kenyans must learn that selfishness will benefit a few and not everyone. As long as tribalism, envy, ill-will, witchcraft, backwardness and all other evils are still existent in Jamhuri, then we still have a few centuries to make change. We will be asking the same even 50 years after this day!!!!!!! WE NEED TO CHANGE, AND NOT LATER, BUT SOON.
Kip
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Post by cLaNKk on Feb 3, 2006 19:51:08 GMT
......and how do we get change when the leaders of the future can't see beyond the few quick coins of today and starving future they create!! The old cliche - Money talks comes to mind. I long for the day people will start electing politicians who have a purpose, goal beyond lining their own pockets and when they don't the same pple should vote with their feet instead of keeping the same old / corrupt b a stards in power!
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nelstar
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Post by nelstar on Feb 6, 2006 14:44:33 GMT
Clank me thinks, as long as I still need my pocket lined, poverty etc you name it then I bet you, there will be people willing to line it, ofcourse in return of a small favour. It may sound like a silly excuse, if i aint got food at the end of the day then i'd probably do anything to get that... its a vicious cycle
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Post by laz123 on Feb 7, 2006 10:06:43 GMT
It'll be a hard job to get rid of corruption. I dislike living in an environment where some people are either starving to death or dying of diseases and the politicians live like lords and get hungrier every day. I also dislike having to condone this by giving bribes but at the moment it's the only way to get things done. I've 'given something small' to a police sergeant, a senior immigration officer, the power people (otherwise it would've taken another year or so to get steama), passport officers, the local DA officer, etc. A few months ago I got into a conversation with 6 counsellers in Kisii. They asked me what would be a significant way in improving things in Kenya. I said there is literally millions of pounds from the EU just waiting to go to Kenya. I added that the single most effective way to improve life for Kenyans and to get all the benefits from all that the money is they have to stop Graft. They all went very quiet. It's rather like the fable of the scorpion who wanted to cross the river. He met a rabbit who also wanted to cross the river. 'Help me cross the river, Rabbit,' he said. 'I can perch on your head while you swim across.' 'No,' the rabbit replied. 'You will sting me and we will both drown.' 'No, I promise I won't,' said the scorpion. So the rabbit allowed the scorpion to rest on his head while he took to the water. He swam hard and half-way across the scorpion stung the rabbit. 'Why did you sting me?' the rabbit exclaimed. @now we are both going to drown.' 'It's just in my nature,' came the reply.
The moral of the story? But nature can change, and it needs to in order for progress to be made.
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Post by nyakisumu on Feb 7, 2006 10:24:12 GMT
laz123... LOL, NICE ONE, ........"I HEAR YOU"
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kipkorir
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Post by kipkorir on Feb 7, 2006 17:09:34 GMT
It is true laz123 that corruption ending is the only thing that will open the gates of goodness to Kenyans. Unfortunately, corruption is so rooted in Kenyan society that I feel like disowing myself on the topic. I would rather not be a Kenyan when corruption is mentioned. Having been in Mombasa, I saw what I would never want a Kenyan to go through. Corruption is so obvious that whoever questions it is literally lost or out of place. Paying handouts on a daily basis is not justified. But who will stop it? We all gave Kibaki and NARC the mandate to stop it, but down a few months, they were milking Kenya dry!!!!!!!!! Whom do we trust then? I have no clue. Maybe we should return to pre-colonial times and sort out things from there(although it will be very painful). Any ideas on how we could rid our Jamhuri of corruption? It all starts from the individual upwards. When I visited Jamhuri in August last year, I refused to bribe, and I succeeded, albeit painfully. I was literally called all names, but I succeeded in my mission!!!!
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kenyacouk
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Post by kenyacouk on Feb 7, 2006 21:54:04 GMT
It is sad both for Kenyans and any one visiting our country. Corruption starts at the arrival port with the customs and excise right through to any other department. An ID is a right for any Kenyan born citizen and how much does one have to pay for it. Not to mention the right for a passport. The worm is in the apple and the apple is fouled. Soon it will be totally gone. I hope someone will eventually have the ‘guts’ to say No More, but I am afraid it is a sickness among Kenya and it is spreading like all cancers do, it seems unstoppable, like all disease
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laz123
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Post by laz123 on Feb 9, 2006 9:00:12 GMT
kipkorir, that is brave. I've just watched BBC Breakfast, with a journalist who worked at investigating corruption in Kenya. He has been given lots of info from the anti-corruption guy who recently fled the country. He was giving examples like; the £57 million to build a police forensic lab - the money disappeared. You ask what can Kenyans do to change the system. Vote with your feet, vote with your voices. If Kibaki is really that corrupt then get someone else in as president who isn't. Often Kenyans say to me it would be a good idea to return to colonial times. But that is not a good idea because then Kenyans would not be running their own country. You've made a good start to change things in the way the majority of people said 'no' to the referendum (including my wife and our friends). They said they didn't want Kibaki to have unlimited power. Good. You have a beautiful country and it's full of good people. It would be nice to develop it and stop people starving (it's worse this year because of the drought) or dying from diseases. The only way that's going to happen is to get good politicians into government. Good luck.
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Post by BettyBoo on Oct 25, 2006 18:15:54 GMT
power corrupts!
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