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Post by Duhbleveh on Jan 19, 2005 11:02:06 GMT
I would like to draw your attention to Today's (19th) issue of The Independent Newspaper. The 'Review' section discusses the British Colony in Kenya and how similar it was to Nazi German rule in Europe. Now if anyone has been to Auschwitz they will see how similar the cover photograph of the Langata Mau Mau Camps is to the Concentration camps. Personally, this pisses me off! 2) I also don't understand how (lately in the news) someone can throw a party with a theme of 'Colonies and Natives' and Prince William goes (because he couldn't find a native costume). People went to the party with BLACKED OUT FACES. What the f...k? Is the world going backwards? I would sometimes like to tell some people where to stuff it (especially coz am here). I would urge you to read this article. I can't seem to find the link in the independent online.. (can someone find it?) but Read it.. any additional thoughts? If someone feels like I do please feel free to vent!
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Post by mrembo on Jan 19, 2005 11:07:10 GMT
Woooie Liv ilikuwa Harry, not William. I have a meeting but will be back to vent, kwanza I watched the Auschwitz prog last nite on BBC2
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Post by Duhbleveh on Jan 19, 2005 11:08:23 GMT
Oh.(whoops). I never know who is who.. they are practically the same people to me. wait.. it was Harry that had the Nazi costume William that had the leopard skin costume. see sunday's issue of the Times.. First of all am appalled cause it was William that came and lounged in Kenya on some aristocratic british family's farm- who also own a whole section of a game reserve somewhere in Aberdares. going to that party to me suggested that mentalities never change.. yeah sure.. he can go lounge in our country and have the shamba boy called vincent (no offense to anyone called vincent) wash his clothes, clean his riding boots e.t.c. but can't make a simple stand .. it doesn't add up.. Should he have gone to the party?.. anyway... thats a story for another day
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Post by Mwisho on Jan 19, 2005 21:07:31 GMT
Mimi hiyo article sipati, lakini i can imagine vividly what that storo could have read like. It runs in the veins of these jamaas that Africans ni waslow deadly But in the same breath imagine transporting all Kenyans (sorry-Kenyan drivers to UK for a day). Think about it labda they have a point
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Post by Duhbleveh on Jan 20, 2005 11:19:54 GMT
Mimi hiyo article sipati, lakini i can imagine vividly what that storo could have read like. It runs in the veins of these jamaas that Africans ni waslow deadly But in the same breath imagine transporting all Kenyans (sorry-Kenyan drivers to UK for a day). Think about it labda they have a point @ Mwisho . ..NO- they don't have a point. I am going to look for that article online.. u need to read it..., and u'll probably take that statement back
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Post by simonru on Jan 29, 2005 8:25:24 GMT
The British... so that includes me... have a great deal to be ashamed of. I wish I could say it was ancient history, but it's not. It was the British who introduced Concentration camps in the Boer Wars in SA... we managed to strip resources, human dignity and damage in many other ways most countries we went to. Kenya was just one place where our politicians and army behaved disgracefully. There was a documentary shown on UK TV about a camp in Kenya run by the British Army (in the 1950/60's?)where it seemed like a large number of prisoners were drowned when hoses were turned on them. I can't remember the precise details.. but I can remember feeling shocked and ashamed.
Someone on TV the other morning said the British invented the concentration camp... the Nazis turned it into an industrial scale operation of mass genocide.
As for Harry.... just one of those upper class idiots who lives in a protected world of toffs and twits. I don't expect he knew what he was doing or the potential fall out. I don't think he's that bright.
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Post by Mwisho on Jan 31, 2005 1:58:13 GMT
I must say that some Britons are very decent human beings but that is a highly qualified statement. I have lived here long and have understood the price of ignorance. It seems to me that your society, Simonru, has decided of its own volition to decimate itself. I used to be very annoyed when i came up against some half-wit who knew nothing about anything trying to patronize me. The backlash you feel from Africa is not just fuelled by the activities of the British in the colonial days. Now its fuelled by knowledge of a vast majority of very educated Africans who can neither be duped nor turned against each other. We applaud Mugabe not for his politico-economic disaster but for saying that no foreigner can own land in Zimbambwe without paying for it. For standing up to Britain and telling them that we can now see what they did and that we cannot allow that continue. Africans now want a level ground on which to conduct business, build economies and political systems rather than a foreign aid or 'strings-attached' initiatives, like AGOA. We are annoyed that the Congress of the USA could go as far as ratifying AGOA knowing full well the great disadvantages that it presented to Africa. We are now educated informed and exposed these antics only draw our wrath. So Simonru, its not just the colonial activities but the neo-colonialism and the audacity to imagine Africans cannot see what is being done to them.
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Post by simonru on Feb 1, 2005 19:26:57 GMT
I must say that some Britons are very decent human beings but that is a highly qualified statement. I have lived here long and have understood the price of ignorance. It seems to me that your society, Simonru, has decided of its own volition to decimate itself. I used to be very annoyed when i came up against some half-wit who knew nothing about anything trying to patronize me. The backlash you feel from Africa is not just fuelled by the activities of the British in the colonial days. Now its fuelled by knowledge of a vast majority of very educated Africans who can neither be duped nor turned against each other. We applaud Mugabe not for his politico-economic disaster but for saying that no foreigner can own land in Zimbambwe without paying for it. For standing up to Britain and telling them that we can now see what they did and that we cannot allow that continue. Africans now want a level ground on which to conduct business, build economies and political systems rather than a foreign aid or 'strings-attached' initiatives, like AGOA. We are annoyed that the Congress of the USA could go as far as ratifying AGOA knowing full well the great disadvantages that it presented to Africa. We are now educated informed and exposed these antics only draw our wrath. So Simonru, its not just the colonial activities but the neo-colonialism and the audacity to imagine Africans cannot see what is being done to them. There are more shocking things being done... the control and manipulation of countries through unpayable debt, the IMF. But you must be one of the few Aficans I know who applauds Mugabe. In 1983 and 1984 a campaign by Mugabe’s government to crush political opposition in Matabeleland led to the slaughter of THOUSANDS of civilians with thousands more beaten and tortured. The man has continues since then torturing and killing his own people (black and white). The lands rights issue is important, but the bloodshed and the killing was dispicable. But yes... it's time for Africa to take control of its own destiny. Perhaps this time it will be without bloodshed, torture, genocide, famine... the way the British Empire did it. Hey, I don't know enough about it. We didn't do african history in school, I didn't even learn about the colonial rule.
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Post by Mwisho on Feb 1, 2005 19:59:09 GMT
Sawa Jodecci, Simonru etc and your other handles: If you were ever priviledged to study under 8-4-4 the following fact would be a no-brainer for you: That a people deserve the leaders they get. Genocide, tribal clashes, corruption, nairobbery etc can not be carried out by the orezos on their own rather by the people who support their stay in power. NARC na wadinyaji wengine kama KANU have been in power for as long as the nation has wanted it done. So bila sh""t Mugabe is still the only man with balls to tell Brito et al to f!!! off that i applaud.
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Post by simonru on Feb 3, 2005 16:51:17 GMT
Just to let you know... I'm using one name on these groups, one name only. Don't know why you've got a problem with that.
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Post by pichez on Feb 3, 2005 17:36:27 GMT
Just to let you know... I'm using one name on these groups, one name only. Don't know why you've got a problem with that. simonru, there are are several pple who've been claiming to be you in this forum hence the doubts.
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Post by Mwisho on Feb 3, 2005 19:46:00 GMT
Simonru, the reason why i have probi with that is that this is a classic Kenyan syndrome: player-hating videadly plus they think they can chezea you psycho. That is the reason why we cannot trust one another and hence cannot saidia one another like the Chutes, ama the @jews or even the jungus. Coz we chezea even serious issues.
Have you noticed we are unable to build a government after 40years we are still mangamangaing over stupid issues. Your appearance on this forum in various versions underlines your insincerity. and that my brother points at lack of integrity which in turn becomes corruption and shoddy self-serving policies.
Enjoy your evening.
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Post by simonru on Mar 11, 2005 12:44:33 GMT
Your appearance on this forum in various versions underlines your insincerity. and that my brother points at lack of integrity which in turn becomes corruption and shoddy self-serving policies. Enjoy your evening. It's been a while. I'm me. This is the only "handle" I use on these groups. Sincerely, I only speak what I think. Sometimes I'm wrong, sometimes I don't have all the facts, but I've always been honest and upfront. Again, I apologise if I've done anything to offend.
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Post by Laz on Apr 3, 2005 9:42:24 GMT
You don't need to apologise simonru. There are some people in this world who will blame everyone else apart from their own backyard even if it flies against logic. This little discussion isn't about Mugabe, or how stupid the royal family are, or concentration camps. It's about a continent unable to move on because of being stuck in the past.
Yes, the British were arseholes against Africans, even up to 50 years ago. But times change and now we're trying to put right what we did wrong. If Kenyans dislike us so much (and they do if they make comments like 'I must say that some Britons are very decent human beings...' Well, some Kenyans are too. I should know I work with them and I'm going over to live in Kenya and marry one.
A country will only advance economically, politically and socially if there are certain criteria in place. Holding onto the past negatives is not going to help.
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Post by shykoh on Jul 14, 2005 13:17:42 GMT
What a mature discussion. Let moi get her debating skills polished and i will be back
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